Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Kammerlader
Kammerlader[edit]
Another self-nom. One of the first, if not the first, breach loading rifles to see widespread service in an armed force. I do believe that this is one of the most comprehensive articles avilable on the subject of these interesting weapons. Peer reviews at Wikipedia:Peer review/Kammerlader/archive1 and Wikipedia:Peer review/Kammerlader/archive2. I've attempted to fix all the issues that cropped up in the peer reviews, but are happy for any suggestions on how to improve the article further. All images in the article at this point has been taken by me. WegianWarrior 12:44, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
Object. Reading through the article shows one critical piece of information is missing: what rate of fire could the average soldier manage with one of these rifles?--Carnildo 18:34, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
- I've not written anything about that simply because no reference could be found apart from the rate of fire being higher than with a muzzleloading musket. I could (and have in my notes) make a guestimate, but it would probaly not be accurate, and it would be original research. WegianWarrior 09:07, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
- Odd. I'd think that for a gun where the selling point is a higher fire rate, the rate of fire would be well-advertised. Are there similar guns this could be conmpared to? Is there a normal rate of fire for breechloading guns using paper cartridges? --Carnildo 18:47, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
- In this day and age it would be widely advertised I'm sure - however, in the 1840's, it was probaly considered a state secret (and a nasty surprice for an attacker). Anotehr early military breach loader was the german Needle gun, which according to the source given for it's article had a rate of fire of "ten or twelve times in a minute;[1]". However, the kammerlader has a more labourious loading process, so it can't be that quick. My guestimate is between 6 and 8, but I can't find anything to back this up neither online or in the books avilable to me. I'll rack my brain to see if I can't come up with a way to put words on the article on the rate of fire. WegianWarrior 06:50, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
- If you can find rate-of-fire information on similar rifles, then a sentence such as "The rate of fire of the Kammerlader is unknown, but the contemporary Needle gun, which used a simpler loading mechanism, could be fired 10-12 times per minute, while the..." --Carnildo 19:54, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
- I've added words to that effect - which hasn't stopped me from looking for more hard info. WegianWarrior 07:38, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
- If you can find rate-of-fire information on similar rifles, then a sentence such as "The rate of fire of the Kammerlader is unknown, but the contemporary Needle gun, which used a simpler loading mechanism, could be fired 10-12 times per minute, while the..." --Carnildo 19:54, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
- In this day and age it would be widely advertised I'm sure - however, in the 1840's, it was probaly considered a state secret (and a nasty surprice for an attacker). Anotehr early military breach loader was the german Needle gun, which according to the source given for it's article had a rate of fire of "ten or twelve times in a minute;[1]". However, the kammerlader has a more labourious loading process, so it can't be that quick. My guestimate is between 6 and 8, but I can't find anything to back this up neither online or in the books avilable to me. I'll rack my brain to see if I can't come up with a way to put words on the article on the rate of fire. WegianWarrior 06:50, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
- Odd. I'd think that for a gun where the selling point is a higher fire rate, the rate of fire would be well-advertised. Are there similar guns this could be conmpared to? Is there a normal rate of fire for breechloading guns using paper cartridges? --Carnildo 18:47, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
- Support. Current wording looks good. --Carnildo 18:12, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
- I've not written anything about that simply because no reference could be found apart from the rate of fire being higher than with a muzzleloading musket. I could (and have in my notes) make a guestimate, but it would probaly not be accurate, and it would be original research. WegianWarrior 09:07, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
- Support—Excellent article, and the Norwegian man who appears to be the main contributor has very good English; I'm impressed. Tony 14:40, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
- Support =Nichalp «Talk»= 10:31, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
- Support Ruennsheng 08:54, 26 September 2005 (UTC)