Wikipedia:Featured article review/Lindsay Lohan/archive1

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The article was removed 06:28, 17 May 2007.

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Lindsay Lohan

Review commentary

Messages left at User talk:RadioKirk, Bio, Arts and entertainment, Films, Entertainment and Actors and Filmmakers. LuciferMorgan 19:49, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

I am requesting this review at the urging of 67.174.226.172 (talk · contribs) and because I agree with the points that that user brings up. 67.174.226.172 states, "Lindsay Lohan is not FA-quality because it fails Wikipedia:Why stable versions, WP:BLP, WP:V and WP:NPOV at the very least, and requires de-listing." I believe this is absolutely true. If one or two people spent some time to seriously review the article, we could perhaps get it back to featured-article status but this would require an ongoing effort as well because it is a frequent target of vandalism. It is on my watchlist but so are so many other articles that I often do not catch edits that reduce its quality. This request for a review is no reflection on the people who initially brought the article to featured article status. --Yamla 01:18, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

My response to Ollie: How about the repeated addition of anything resembling the drunken "firecrotch" spew? Step for Cep again? Stuart for Mitchell again? (Both cited, once...) How can Lohan and Duff have "reconciled" when both claimed there was no feud to begin with (source fails WP:RS anyway)? "Lindsay" for "Lohan" (we're on a first-name basis now?)? Dating a female DJ (WP:RS)? Film listings with no sources? A MySpace fan page? Crap like this gets in over and over and over and over again, so Wikipedia:Why stable versions goes out the window. Not an FA.

I've only really been involved with this article to revert vandalism and I'm not a Lohan fan, so I've probably missed most of the non-obvious stuff. What's the "Step for Cep again? Stuart for Mitchell again?" thing? I'll keep an eye out for it in future. --Kurt Shaped Box 08:13, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

It's Lola Cep (cited, once...) and Casey Mitchell (cited, once...).

I've fixed the 'Cep'. As for the 'Mitchell' thing - there seems to be conflicting online references (some references to the character use one name, some the other). What's the deal here? A screencap of the credits screen would be great... ;) --Kurt Shaped Box 16:47, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Used to be a Disney link, but it's gone. This one is the most reliable I've found, and I'm pretty sure one was added to the article once. I believe Stuart was announced and it was changed to Mitchell before filming or release, or something like that. But the big picture is getting lost in the more minor WP:V violations, and that is the WP:BLP/Wikipedia:Why stable versions problem, because every time some tabloid scum writes her name or some drunken no-name wannabe scum speaks her name, some "editor" scum makes damned sure it gets in with the most salacious wording possible.

I assume that you're referring to the 'firecrotch' thing? I've been looking at that myself for a while and TBH, I'm not really sure what to do with it (it *is* cited but I'm unsure as to whether the sources referenced are what WP would consider 'reliable'). I've raised the issue at WP:BLPN. Hopefully someone with more experience can take a look at it... --Kurt Shaped Box 21:28, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

That's the biggest one now, but it's hardly an orphan. The question with this one is not reliability (we know he said it, I think there were cameras there) but its inclusion weighed against WP:BLP. It allows the article to demean its subject by validating the drunken spew of an industry wannabe who doesn't merit his own article (because his most famous moment is that spew).

You may have a point. I'm not particularly experienced in dealing with BLP issues... --Kurt Shaped Box 21:47, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

"In March, she told OK! magazine that she was writing lyrics for her third album, which she called "different [from] the first two"." Click on citation 44, and you'll find that this quote appears nowhere in the original article, which in fact is citing something she said while working on her second album. Neither Lohan, her management, or Motown records have ever stated that she's creating a third album. It's a myth that her fans have concocted from a few press slip-ups and disseminated by means of Wikipedia. 75.49.224.232 15:29, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

FARC commentary

Suggested FA criteria concerns are stability (1e), POV (1d), and verifiability (1c). Marskell 21:11, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Comment: Does no one care about Miss Lohan? What will she think of us? Marskell 08:48, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

• Well, she can't think much of us already; it's an embarrassment. Remove, unless someone is prepared to go through and complete the reference formatting, evaluate each source per the highest quality standards required of a BLP, and remove the gossip sources. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 13:40, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
• Remove per Sandy's reasoning. LuciferMorgan 11:20, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

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