Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Armenian Genocide
Deportations, massacre locations and extermination centers of Armenians during the Armenian Genocide[edit]
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- Reason
- The map is well sourced and provides a very accurate description of one of the first documented genocides in world history. The map has provided a detailed view of the entire Ottoman Empire with a legend that makes it easily verifiable and understandable. The map is also very informative. I believe just by looking at the map, the viewer will learn something right off the bat.
- Articles in which this image appears
- Armenian Genocide; Western Armenia
- FP category for this image
- Wikipedia:Featured pictures/Diagrams, drawings, and maps/Maps
- Creator
- Sémhur
- Support as nominator --Proudbolsahye (talk) 00:37, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
- Support assuming that the referencing is reliable. Nergaal (talk) 19:24, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
- Support per Nergaal. --WingtipvorteX PTT ∅ 20:44, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
- Support size is good, the sources (primarily Robert H. Hewsen) seem to be reliable too. --Երևանցի talk 21:03, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose The symbols and colouring for 'relative numbers of Armenians massacred' and 'Deportation control centre' are identical (eg, is a little red dot a deportation control centre or a relatively small massacre? - and what do the the differently-sized dots in the Black Sea depict?). The difference between the red and black swords, and the size of these swords, marking areas of Armenian resistance is also unclear. I also suspect that marking the map with dates of the key events would make things much clearer and help illustrate the chronology of these events. Nick-D (talk) 23:43, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
- I am not an expert in the field, but a little red dot is a relatively small control centre, a small pink dot is a relatively small deportation center, and a small black dot is a relatively small massacre. same for small and big swords. about the black sea dots, here is an excerpt from the article Trabzon was the main city in Trabzon province; Oscar S. Heizer, the American consul at Trabzon, reports: "This plan did not suit Nail Bey ... Many of the children were loaded into boats and taken out to sea and thrown overboard".[48] The Italian consul of Trabzon in 1915, Giacomo Gorrini, writes: "I saw thousands of innocent women and children placed on boats which were capsized in the Black Sea".[49] The Trabzon trials reported Armenians having been drowned in the Black Sea.. Nergaal (talk) 06:58, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
- I think that this map is attempting to present way too much information, and is doing so in a pretty confusing fashion. Do you know what the differently coloured swords are meant to represent? Nick-D (talk) 03:50, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
- The different colored swords are suppose to represent big (red) and small (black) armed resistances. The reason why some are smaller than others is to save space and not make the map confusing. Also, I can always write a brief description of some of the features of the map and make note of some of the events and etc. in the Commons description page for additional verifiability. After all, I firmly believe that adding more information on the map itself would clutter it. Proudbolsahye (talk) 03:57, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
- I think that this map is attempting to present way too much information, and is doing so in a pretty confusing fashion. Do you know what the differently coloured swords are meant to represent? Nick-D (talk) 03:50, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
- I am not an expert in the field, but a little red dot is a relatively small control centre, a small pink dot is a relatively small deportation center, and a small black dot is a relatively small massacre. same for small and big swords. about the black sea dots, here is an excerpt from the article Trabzon was the main city in Trabzon province; Oscar S. Heizer, the American consul at Trabzon, reports: "This plan did not suit Nail Bey ... Many of the children were loaded into boats and taken out to sea and thrown overboard".[48] The Italian consul of Trabzon in 1915, Giacomo Gorrini, writes: "I saw thousands of innocent women and children placed on boats which were capsized in the Black Sea".[49] The Trabzon trials reported Armenians having been drowned in the Black Sea.. Nergaal (talk) 06:58, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
Comment The size of the circles represent the number of those who got massacred regardless of whether they be at the Deportation Control Centers or at an Annihilation center. During the Armenian Genocide, many (in fact most) were murdered even before they reached the annihilation center. What Nergaal said regarding the red circles in the sea is 100% correct. Next to Smyrna you can also see another red dot in the sea which pertains to the Great Fire of Smyrna. Proudbolsahye (talk) 07:08, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
- Support. Jackal 03:39, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
- Support Adam Cuerden (talk) 09:11, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
Promoted File:Armenian_Genocide_Map-en.svg -- — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:49, 9 May 2013 (UTC)