Talk:List of military engagements during the Russian invasion of Ukraine/Archive 2

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Archive 3

Remove Battle of Kruty

This battle is nonsense and the only available references are from Suspilne that is the public broadcast of Ukraine owned by the Ukraine government and by thus is an unrealiable source on this issue. DrYisus (talk) 00:52, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Battle of Kherson

To my knowledge, Ukrainian officials conceded the city fell to Russia an hour ago. Should not still be marked as inconclusive. 174.93.86.113 (talk) 04:34, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

add/remove a few battles

- add the 2022 Kruty skirmishes

- remove the Battle of Starobilsk as it was merged.

- add Battles of Bucha, Hostomel, and Irpin, as either sections on the Battle of Kyiv page or their own. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.22.255.72 (talk) 18:02, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

EpicWikiLad (talk) 15:41, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Has Skadovsk been taken?

The map on the ISW website seems to indicate so, but I am not so sure. Any ideas what's happening there? 199.119.232.216 (talk) 00:12, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

The battle of Techno House

is a meme and therefore does not belong under the list of engagements page 199.119.232.216 (talk) 23:51, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

That is what I said and thought, but an admin said it is not a hoax. Elijahandskip (talk) 23:52, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

I think a single Russian soldier shooting at a door does not count as a battle. If anything it should go under a tab on the cultural impact of the war on the main invasion page. It's better to keep this page more serious to better help protect innocent lives by providing information. Spaceman2288 (talk) 00:19, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Remove “Battle of Techno House”

It is an insult to add this to the list of engagements. I hope it is duly removed. Gunkot (talk) 00:42, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Battaglia di Enerhodar

Non è più in corso, è stata vinta dai russi. Aggiornare quella definizione 151.26.22.111 (talk) 21:43, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Battle of Enerhodar

This battle was won from russians, it isn't ongoing 151.26.22.111 (talk) 22:01, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Horlivka offensive (to eliminate)

This battle is only propaganda, it doesn't exist really. It should be eliminated 151.26.22.111 (talk) 22:03, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Any sources to suggest that this is propaganda? While I will admit it is hard to find information on this offensive (it doesn't even appear on the Ukrainian page of this article), we shouldn't delete a link to an article without a little more proof of propaganda. Spaceman2288 (talk) 16:26, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Mykolaiv battle

There sholud be also the Mykolaiv battle (ongoing) 151.26.22.111 (talk) 22:25, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

It is already listed in the list. Began on February 26. Elijahandskip (talk) 22:36, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Chuhuiv missing?

Isn't Chuhuiv air base attack missing on the list? Danwasd (talk) 17:49, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

It is added. Elijahandskip (talk) 22:37, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 5 March 2022

Enerhodar has not been captured by Russian troops yet. The engagements article says it has by the actual battle page says it is still ongoing. Please change Russian victory to ongoing. DaveRossi2 (talk) 04:42, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Ivankiv has also not been captured by Russian troops yet. The separate page for it says it is ongoing, and definitely didn't end on February 27th. NicolinoChess31415926 (talk) 05:52, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Does anyone know if skadovsk has been taken or not? Also I just saw that the map has been updated with Shostka apprentice being taken but I can't easily find a source that proves it directly. Spaceman2288 (talk) 13:07, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

• I meant apparently Spaceman2288 (talk) 13:08, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

It appears from the sources that both battles have ended. Do you have other sources counterclaiming these? P1221 (talk) 08:59, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Closing as answered. P1221 (talk) 09:53, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

add battles of Irpin, Bucha, Volnovakha.

title, also remove zythomir airport attack as it was merged. EpicWikiLad (talk) 23:42, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Battles of Irpin and Bucha were already listed. Added the Battle of Volnovakha. Did not remove the Zhytomyr Airport attack as redirect was challenged/reverted. Elijahandskip (talk) 00:46, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

oh, sorry, thanks then i guess, also, apparently, Battle of Starobilsk's redirect was also challenged/reverted, so, could you add in that too? EpicWikiLad (talk) 22:00, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Chernihiv Massacre

My suggestion is that you put that under the "Russian War Crimes" page as a link rather than as a battle as it might be more appropriate there. Only because unarmed victims don't really constitute as an engagement. Thanks for all of the hard work everyone! Spaceman2288 (talk) 18:53, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

On the template, it is listed as a war crime. Just like the Zhytomyr Airport attack, the 2022 Chernihiv bombing is listed here more as a significant event related to military engagements, being an airstrike. The result is just going to be inconclusive due to the nature of the airstrike. Elijahandskip (talk) 00:10, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Under international humanitarian law (IHL), an airstrike on civilians with no identifiable military target is not a military engagement. That's the whole point of over a century of development of the Geneva conventions and other parts of IHL. We have no sources in the article suggesting that there was any military aim. Boud (talk) 00:51, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

I removed the entry, though of course, if someone can find sources claiming that the bombing was a military operation with a possible "Ukrainian victory" or "Russian victory", then it might make sense to restore the entry. However, I don't see how bombing the triangular public square between Viacheslava Chornovola and Kruhova Streets at 51.5001°N 31.2791°E / 51.5001; 31.2791 could lead to a military "victory" - in the sense of gaining military territorial control - by either side. Boud (talk) 00:58, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

What? Why was it removed? Another civilian attack is listed, so it should be as well. Elijahandskip (talk) 01:00, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

If this is supposed to be a mixed list of war crimes and military engagements, then it would have to be renamed. The term "civilian attack" is ambiguous. Which event are you referring to? Boud (talk) 01:03, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Please read my comment of 00:51, 10 March 2022 (UTC) again: that answers your question about why the war crime incident was removed. Boud (talk) 01:05, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Bucha

This battle has ended, please edit the status box. DrYisus (talk) 08:09, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

add Battle of Starobilsk

title.... again. EpicWikiLad (talk) 00:38, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

 Done. InfiniteNexus (talk) 01:01, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

The Battle of Bucha

The battle hasn’t ended; the Wikipedia page has been updated. It should be changed to ongoing in the table. 70.21.18.8 (talk) 00:42, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

According to Ukraine president advisor Oleksiy Arestovych the city was captured 5 March. Source CNN: https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/06/europe/ukraine-russia-invasion-sunday-intl-hnk/index.html DrYisus (talk) 13:50, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Admittingly, it's quite hard to find sources in English that back up the claim that Bucha has yet to be taken by the Russians; even the Wikipedia page on the Battle of Bucha uses mostly Russian and Ukrainian sources. That being said, the mentioned page states that the Battle is currently ongoing, with a recent evacuation corridor helping many refugees flee. Moreover, I was able to find these sources to back up my claim as well.

Sources:

https://www.wionews.com/videos/ukraine-destroys-bridge-of-bucha-to-keep-russians-out-of-kyiv-460360

https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2022/03/13/live-updates-zelenskyy-black-day-after-russian-attack/

https://dailypost.ng/2022/03/11/russia-war-bucha-irpin-hostomel-have-been-totally-destroyed-no-buildings-left-ukraines-shevchenko/

https://thefederalist.com/2022/03/04/russia-squeezes-southern-ukraine-but-ukrainians-rebound-in-northwest-battle-of-bucha/

Though the accuracy of these sources may be put into doubt and several come from a couple days ago, all of them together present a more clear picture of the current situation.

You can also check out the Wikipedia page for the Battle of Bucha, in which it's listed as ongoing, here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Bucha#6–10_March_2022 70.21.18.8 (talk) 00:28, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Is true, the cnn article is from 5 March I think. The battle of bucha page said the CNN statement for 5 March, but I am not sure about the current situation. The RS I have found about the status of Bucha is that of CNN for 5 March, but I have no idea about the current situation. DrYisus (talk) 01:43, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Yavoriv military base Missile strikes

The March 13th bombing of the Yavoriv facility should be added. 35 deaths, over a hundred more casualties, and large implications as to the future of foreign volunteers in Ukraine. 72.139.195.128 (talk) 04:45, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Yes please, I think it sohuld be added like other base attacks on the page. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/13/russia-sends-message-with-yavoriv-strike-but-attack-on-poland-unlikely DrYisus (talk) 19:45, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

add Battle of Tokmak

title. EpicWikiLad (talk) 16:47, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

 Done - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 00:39, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

an idea

should we include attacks/airstrike on civilians/civilian infrastructure here or make a separate page for it?

im bringing the discussion here before doing any major changes so we can discuss it, also to prevent a possible edit conflict. EpicWikiLad (talk) 00:24, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

First of all, regarding Donetsk, how a attack on civilians be considered in this article of military engagements?? What happening to fellow wiki editors? Regarding the attacks on instalations i think we could use Opeational success instead than Inconclusive or X victory, Y victory. Whats your opinion?Mr.User200 (talk) 00:28, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

well, makes sense, ill try to get enough consensus to maybe make a separate page about it, and, well, i agree with the second, we could maybe use that. EpicWikiLad (talk) 00:41, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

Agree to both. "inconclusive" is a weird way to frame a missile strike which, as long as it doesn't miss or is shot down, can't really fail. Additionally, strikes on civillian targets are not and will never be military engagements, it's innapropriate to put them in a list of such. Arakui (talk) 22:19, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Supposed hypersonic use

I read a report that russia launched hypersonic missiles towards western ukraine... Needs verification 2601:589:80:5ED0:1191:B8C:F1FD:99A (talk) 13:41, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

put air attacks under russian/ukrainian operational success (depending on who had the operational success) and millerovo as disputed

title, i think that this should be done as most of these attacks (except millerovo, as both dispute the winner and its unclear who really won) clearly had a operational success by one side or another. EpicWikiLad (talk) 22:18, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Theres photos of burning Russian jets which have been geolocated. How can Millerovo be a Russian success? Russia can call a burning Su-30 a duck if it wants, but its still a burning Su-30. 97.126.65.119 (talk) 21:35, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Take Down "Battle of Isium"

Firstly, the battle is not over, Ukrainian forces still control the southern part of the city. Secondly, the link goes to a page about the Battle of Kharkiv in WWII — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.126.65.119 (talk) 21:25, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Also, it is still ongoing according to the ISW: https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-march-24 --72.229.242.36 (talk) 23:55, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Add Ukrainian strike on the Berdyansk naval base/ Sinking of the Orsk

Don't know if theres a page for it yet, but there certainly should be. Once confirmed, it will be the largest naval ship sunk in an offensive action since the HMS Coventry in the Falklands. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.126.65.119 (talk) 21:57, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

See the section below this. Elijahandskip (talk) 01:39, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

fixes

Add Battle of Hostomel and remove the Sumykhiprom chemical plant thing due to it being a attack on civilian, not military, targets. 187.39.133.201 (talk) 18:40, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

While the plant was run by civilians, it is still a military target, as it produces chemicals, which makes it a target for military shelling, bombing, and airstrikes. Elijahandskip (talk) 20:11, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

 Done - I added the Battle of Hostomel. Elijahandskip (talk) 20:17, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Airstrikes with breakout section in battle articles

We have two notable airstrikes, the Mykolaiv military barracks airstrike, part of the Battle of Mykolaiv and the Orsk landing ship airstrike, part of the aftermath from the Battle of Berdiansk. Both of these airstrikes occurred on military targets and have their own sections in the battle articles. The Sumykhimprom chemical plant ammonia leak has its article only because the aftermath from the airstrike was notable. So here is the discussion; Should these two airstrikes be listed in the Notable airstrikes section? Elijahandskip (talk) 01:39, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Pings: Curbon7, Knowledgekid87, Mercer17, Andres arg, Coltsfan, InfiniteNexus Elijahandskip (talk) 01:43, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

I don't see why not. Coltsfan (talk) 01:45, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Again, my thought is that if these airstrikes were really notable then why don't they have their own articles? They were notable in the context of the battles involved which is why we have those articles already linked. By linking these two airstrikes we are essentially listing the name battle articles twice. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 02:36, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

I believe that the Mykolaiv military barracks airstrike can be listed there, because of the high number of soldiers killed in one attack. But not sure about the Orsk landing ship airstrike, as the ship didn't have it's own article and there isn't much info about how many casualties were there. Andres arg (talk) 02:54, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

There are already guidelines for this at WP:CSC. Not sure why the guidelines shouldn't apply here. If anyone here believes these two airstrikes are notable, then anyone is, of course, free to create an article for them and then they will be allowed on the list. ShuffleboardJerk (talk) 04:15, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Well, based on that, I began two split discussions on the battle talk pages, for possible new articles for the airstrikes. Here are the links for the Orsk landing ship airstrike proposal and the Mykolaiv military barracks airstrike proposal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elijahandskip (talk • contribs) 05:20, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

As I noted on the two talk pages, I am very doubtful that these two events are independent notable of their particular battles. If these were attacks on civilians, then there'd be a better argument, but I'm not sure soldier-on-soldier action needs a split. Curbon7 (talk) 06:02, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

My thoughts exactly. If these airstrikes were notable outside of their battle context then I would be fine with inclusion. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 17:00, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

The general convention is to only include topics if they have their own articles. If not, there is no indication of WP:NOTABILITY, and they should not be listed. InfiniteNexus (talk) 23:38, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 26 March 2022

Izium is still ongoing, according to ISW: https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-march-25 72.229.242.36 (talk) 21:02, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

 Done Elijahandskip (talk) 21:07, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

No inline sources?

I'm a little confused as to why there are no inline sources in this article at all. I get that people are providing the sources on this talk page, but a reader might not be aware of that. Also, as these discussions get archived one by one, it would become even harder to find the source for any given battle, since you'd have to scour through the archives to try to find what supported which fact. Doesn't this violate WP:VERIFY?

Readers must be able to check that any of the information within Wikipedia articles is not just made up.

I don't think it would be that much of a disturbance to the layout to add inline citations to the facts about each battle in the big tables. Thoughts? HappyWithWhatYouHaveToBeHappyWith (talk) 22:57, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

add a battle

can someone add the Battle of Starobilsk? 187.39.133.201 (talk) 21:52, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

No, it has been re-made into a redirect, as that battle is clearly not notable. Curbon7 (talk) 22:58, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

No, you and another user are clearly involved in a edit war in that page, and, it may result in you two being blocked, add the battle while the page still exists, if it does get removed and if it does get enough consensus to do so, then you can remove it here, in addition, remove the sumykhiprom ammonia leak thing, it was not a military engagement. 187.39.133.201 (talk) 23:46, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Shostka

The page for the Battle of Shostka provides no actual evidence for suggesting the town is under Russian control. Both sources it uses to establish that fact have no mention of Russian control, and much of the information in the article itself only makes sense if Shostka is still in Ukrainian hands, such as the confirmed shelling of the town by Russian troops. Please either remove it here or change its status to "ongoing." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.22.90.72 (talk) 02:40, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, heres an article saying Shostka was under Ukrainian control as of March 23rd.

Wolf359Locutus (talk) 17:35, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

References

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 29 March 2022

The battle of Slavutych should be changed to a Russian victory. The Russians forced the Ukrainian army out of its defensive positions in and around the town. In addition, the Russians made a deal with the local authorities to not enter the town in return for the Ukrainians not attacking/opposing Russian forces. Thus, it should be counted as a Russian victory, as its resolution was similar to the Battle of Konotop (2022). 2601:85:C101:C9D0:CD9C:E787:730:BCE8 (talk) 22:52, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit extended-protected}} template. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:32, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

References

Slavutych

As per the suggestion above, I will try to seek consensus. The battle of Slavutych should be changed to a Russian victory. The Russians forced the Ukrainian army out of its defensive positions in and around the town. In addition, the Russians made a deal with the local authorities to not enter the town in return for the Ukrainians not attacking/opposing Russian forces. Thus, it should be counted as a Russian victory, as its resolution was similar to the Battle of Konotop (2022). Ideas? 2601:85:C101:C9D0:CD9C:E787:730:BCE8 (talk) 23:36, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

I agree. It doesn’t make sense showing it as an Ukrainian victory Muteten (talk) 23:59, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

You can't just post on your IP address, then create an account and agree with yourself. Buttons0603 (talk) 00:34, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Haha I'm not him, I have no idea who he is. Check our location data or something. 2601:85:C101:C9D0:CD9C:E787:730:BCE8 (talk) 01:48, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

...I don't mean to interfere, but I'll just say that your account was made literally just a few hours ago.. Dawsongfg (talk) 02:43, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Yeah I've run into this problem a lot, had a discussion with other editors a year ago about this. I don't want to make an account, so that means I use an IP address, which unfortunately changes every day (it used to not, I don't know what changed). I've been editing since around 2019-2020. And also Muteten's account was made on March 23, so it would be illogical to create an account and then use an IP address. Hope that clears things up, and it seems my request has already by done. Thank you Mr.User200. 2601:85:C101:C9D0:CD9C:E787:730:BCE8 (talk) 03:31, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

You can't just assume someone is acting in bad faith without evidence, or with faulty, circumstantial evidence. ShuffleboardJerk (talk) 10:37, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

References

Trostyanets Offensive

Ukraine recently reported that trostyanets and villages close to the border were retaken in a major counter offensive. Should this be added in or perhaps even incorporated into the battle of okhytra? 209.147.97.28 (talk) 06:23, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

I agree that the Battle of Trostyanets' should have it's own page, as its one of Ukraine's most successful and notable counter offensives. Jebiguess (talk) 14:57, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Needs reliable sources. Curbon7 (talk) 20:42, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

The page has been created at Battle of Trostianets with reliable sourcing. Ganesha811 (talk) 21:25, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Remove a battle

Horlivka offensiva isn't true. So, it should be removed from this page or say that it is a russian victory because Horlivka is still russian. 151.26.24.135 (talk) 21:15, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Would you be so kind and provide reliable source proving your claim? Arado Ar 196 (talk) 21:20, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

There's a current deletion discussion (only then it's more about notability). Dawsongfg (talk) 21:26, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

add battles of odessa and starobilsk

can someone please add AT LEAST the battle of odessa? 187.39.133.201 (talk) 19:44, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

There is no "battle of Odessa," the Russians are nowhere close to the city. Shelling =/= battle. 2601:85:C101:C9D0:C63:89A8:5F35:7103 (talk) 22:44, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

And Russian forces haven't reached Kyiv. Dawsongfg (talk) 22:50, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Battle of Odessa, also, add the Battle of Chuhuiv and Battle of Starobilsk (as said before). 187.39.133.201 (talk) 23:34, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Battle of Irpin

Ukrainian army recaptured Irpin on March 28th (confirmed on March 30), so it should count as a Ukrainian victory. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SawRunner (talk • contribs) 05:38, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

"Result" column: "... victory" claims without sources

"Victory" claims—especially in a LIST article—should not be in Wikipedia voice without explicit source citations.

Any statements about "victory" by one side or the other should have explicit source citations, so that such statements can be dated, and also clearly identify who is making the assessment. N2e (talk) 14:57, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

This is an important point for Shostka, which is listed as a Russian victory on its wikipedia page, but in fact isnt (source below). I'm finding it difficult to get that changed, but it certainly ought to be changed here.

1. https://www.newsweek.com/meet-abandoned-cats-living-bomb-shelter-ukraine-1690849 Wolf359Locutus (talk) 16:15, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

I believe everything should be sourced, including start dates, end dates, and victory statuses. I don't believe there is any policy that allows us to not source all of the information presented in this list. I can also see that there is some pushback in this respect, which I don't really understand and I would like some users that do not want sources to chime in on this discussion. ShuffleboardJerk (talk) 06:27, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Lysychansk and Hlukhiv

Two Ukrainian cities with notable battles, should they have articles? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jebiguess (talk • contribs) 16:20, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Shostka for gods sake

I've been trying to get the status of Shostka changed on three pages for four days now. There is no evidence that Shostka was ever taken by Russian forces, and I've provided a source (above) that says as much. I have to assume that the Battle of Shostka page was made by a poorly informed individual of by a propogandist to intentionally mislead. For gods sake, can someone edit the page??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wolf359Locutus (talk • contribs) 14:48, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

I removed the entry per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Battle of Shostka. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 20:50, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Stalemate consensus

As solo of you know seems that russian forces are withdrawing from some parts of Ukrainie, I think that a lot of ongoing battle in zones that not are in northeastern/eastern ukraine that are resulting in russian withdraw without fight (i.e Hostomel, kiev...) should be listed as russian withdraw instead of ongoing, cause in a lot the russian army is leaving the cities empty and not really fight is ongoing. I want to stablish a consensus cause in the following days I think we are going to see a edit war between the "ongoing party" and the "ukrainian victory party". So in my opinion, I think we can create a new cathegory of Russian Withdraw or be labed as inconclusive with a reference to withdraw. DrYisus (talk) 11:42, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Battle of Kyiv

The Battle of Kyiv is now considered a Ukrainian victory on its article. It should be updated here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wolf359Locutus (talk • contribs) 18:36, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 April 2022

Declare the Battle of Kyiv a Ukrainian Victory, the main page for that battle has already done so, and multiple major media sources have confirmed the battle to be over. DragonLegit04 (talk) 20:24, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit extended-protected}} template. See discussion immediately above. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:39, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Chernihiv

Siege of Chernihiv appears to have ben lifted: Ukraine’s Best Tank Brigade Has Won The Battle For Chernihiv Perathian (talk) 21:27, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

I concur. And that source is full of very useful info for the Battle of Chernihiv page. Wolf359Locutus (talk) 00:56, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 April 2022 (2)

Change Battle of Brovary to Ukrainian Victory, the main page for the battle has already done so, and Ukrainian forces have been confirmed to have cleared the town. DragonLegit04 (talk) 20:37, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit extended-protected}} template. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:40, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

I agree. The Russians have been pushed far from Brovary, taking heavy losses along the way. Wolf359Locutus (talk) 00:57, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Notes

Just an FYI, if you want to add a note then just place {{efn|Your note here}} next to the text that needs further explanation. This makes the page cleaner to read and your note will appear below in the "Notes" section. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 03:24, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Creation of the battle of rubizhne

Ongoing battle, strategic in the Russian aim of taking the Donbas region, particularly as it opens the gates to the capital of luhansk oblast Severodonetsk. 190.115.174.178 (talk) 15:25, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 4 April 2022

Mark the Siege of Chernihiv as a Ukrainian victory. Reliable source provided in the discussion above. Perathian (talk) 04:50, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

It might take a while Wolf359Locutus (talk) 05:08, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Propose changing Battle of Okhtyrka to Ukrainian victory

Okhtyrka was successfully defended and the Russian lines have been pushed back. The fact that Troistianets was retaken affirms that the battle of Okhtyrka is over. This change has already been accepted on the Battle of Okhtyrka article. Wolf359Locutus (talk) 17:51, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Chuhuiv

Regardless of what the Russians say, its clear now that they failed to take Chuhuiv. It should be listed as a Ukrainian victory, as Chuhuiv was successfully defended and there is no evidence to the contrary. Wolf359Locutus (talk) 00:55, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Russia won the first part. Just because they pulled out doesnt mean they lost. When US troops left Iraq in 2011 that wasn't considered a loss--2601:3C5:8200:97E0:24A6:7BF:E42F:8139 (talk) 01:08, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Theres no evidence presented that says they won the first part. Do you have any? Wolf359Locutus (talk) 17:55, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Additionally, it is illogical to compare a long war like Iraq, which had diverse interests and diverse objectives over several years, to a single battle, especially one this short. Russia had objectives which they failed to achieve. This battle is therefor a Ukrainian victory. Wolf359Locutus (talk) 22:44, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Could someone please explain to me why this hasn't been changed?Wolf359Locutus (talk) 17:52, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Battle of Mykolaiv

It is proved Ukrainian victory, and it’s already added in Battle of Mykolaiv. The sources should be there. 182.239.89.135 (talk) 03:52, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

• Narrator's voice: the sources were not there. Curbon7 (talk) 04:26, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

  Correction: The sources are present on the talk page, as a reply to a comment you made, to which you have not responded. Wolf359Locutus (talk) 17:54, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

  The facts that are present in sources available show that the Russians tried to take Mykolaiv or move past it, failed, and were subsequently pushed back to Kherson. The argument I and many others are making is that that constitutes the end of the Battle of Mykolaiv. If the Russians return, that would represent a different battle. You cannot simply demand sources that say that clearly, because the news seldom defines battles as battles until months later. You need to present a meaningful argument as to why the series of events that we know transpired does NOT represent a battle in meaningful terms. Wolf359Locutus (talk) 17:59, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Battles of Bucha and Hostomel

Two of the battles listed on this page today resulted in russian troops withdrawing from those cities (and many more towns in the kiyv oblast), which would technically count as a ukrainian win? — Preceding unsigned comment added by SawRunner (talk • contribs) 22:00, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Battle of Ivankiv as well SawRunner (talk) 22:02, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Please provide reliable sources to confirm that. Curbon7 (talk) 22:10, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

By that logic, the battle of Chernobyl should be considered a Ukrainian withdrawal. Ukraine decided not to hold the area, and conducted a fighting retreat towards the outskirts of Kyiv, just as Russian troops conducted a fighting retreat when withdrawing from Hostomel and Bucha. Ivankiv as well, Ukraine conducted opperations in the area only so far as to improve their situation after they retreated. If Ivankiv and Chernobyl were Russian victories, then Bucha and Hostomel were Ukrainian victories.Wolf359Locutus (talk) 19:35, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Russian is withdrawing from some parts of Ukraine, in a lot of cases a withdraw dont mean a battle.

DrYisus (talk) 11:34, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Change battle of Okhtyrka to Ukrainian victory

In the same offensive where they retook Trostyanets (26th March) the Ukrainians drove the Russians away from Okhtyrka and the page for the battle of Okhtyrka states the the Ukrainians have won the battle and the city is no longer in immediate danger. Thankx 185.225.245.137 (talk) 19:18, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

I've been trying to get them to change this for a couple days now. It may be a few more.... Wolf359Locutus (talk) 20:24, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Russian withdrawal

I think we need a new outcome labeled Russian withdrawal in blue, as they seem to have withdrawn from an number of positions near Kyiv 72.229.242.36 (talk) 19:30, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

• I would prefer considering Russian withdrawal Ukranian victory. The aim of the Ukrainians fighting the war is to repel the invasion army of Russia. When the Russians retreated, the Ukrainians have successfully safeguarded the city, and thus achieved their aim. Therefore, those battles that the Russians finally gave up and retreated, should be marked as (decisive) Ukrainian victory. 182.239.87.226 (talk) 20:01, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

  I agree, but there were some areas like Antonov Airport where Russia won the actual battle about a month ago, but then recently withdrew without a fight. NicolinoChess31415926 (talk) 00:51, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

  Exactly, with the same being said for say Chernobyl. 72.229.242.36 (talk) 02:19, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

  I disagree with the part for Chernobyl. The battle only took place on the 24 February, and all parties (Russia, Ukraine, and outside countries) agree Russia won the battle. The troops occupied for over a month then withdrew. Basically the same case when Germany occupied any country during World War II. They won, occupied, then left/lost later in life. The Battle of Chernobyl was a Russian victory and historically, no one can chance that. Any ongoing battles where Russia withdraws from should be changed to explain the withdrawal, but any battles won by Russia, occupied, and later withdrawn should not be altered. Elijahandskip (talk) 02:27, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

I agree, I said in the talk page, that we should create another status labeled as russian withdraw or inconclusive. Cause in a lot of places russian are withdrawing without fight, so a lot of ongoing battles are ending but there is no real fight in place. I think that Russian withdraw is a good status for substitution of some actually ongoing battles. DrYisus (talk) 20:18, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

I agree. Because let's take the battle of bucha for example, the Russians did win the battle and fully occupied the city. Ukraine only took it back after the Russians left Tigil003 (talk) 04:06, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Curbon7, this is what I was taking about.Mr.User200 (talk) 12:31, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

If Bucha was a definite Russian victory then please explain to me why Mykolaiv isnt already a Ukrainian one? In Bucha the Russians pushed Ukraine out of the city by less than a mile. In Mykolaiv, the Ukrainians have pushed the Russians back by more than 20. Wolf359Locutus (talk) 19:40, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

The Russians were forced to retreat from Bucha because they couldn't sustain their position there, primarily becuase of staunch Ukrainian resistance. Ukraine won the battle of Bucha. Wolf359Locutus (talk) 20:27, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 6 April 2022

Want to update outdated list, many current engagements are not recorded. TableSalt43 (talk) 00:24, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Curbon7 (talk) 00:37, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 5 April 2022

Russian troops withdrew from the Sumy Oblast. This should be treated as a victory for Ukraine. 188.33.240.169 (talk) 11:37, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Curbon7 (talk) 04:11, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 6 April 2022 (3)

I want to add that the Battle of Okhtyrka ended on the 26th of March, as per its individual Wikipedia page and relevant information. PixelatedGalaxy (talk) 12:07, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

References needed.

References are needed for the Battle of Sumy and Siege of Chernihiv being Ukrainian victories, just like the rest of the outcomes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PixelatedGalaxy (talk • contribs) 15:25, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 5 April 2022

Change Battle of Okhtyrka from "ongoing" to "Ukrainian victory." This change has been accepted on the Battle's article, and the fact that Trostianets is a Ukrainian victory necessarily means Okhtyrka is as well. Wolf359Locutus (talk) 02:10, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

 Done Curbon7 (talk) 04:09, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

However, please do not assume the result of a battle based on the result of another battle. We operate with reliable sources, not our own personal conjecture. Curbon7 (talk) 04:10, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Its not conjecture. I merely mentioned Trostianets because there is not a lot of explicit information out there, and it offers a level of evidence. Wolf359Locutus (talk) 17:08, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 5 April 2022

Change Battle of Chuhuiv from "disputed" to "Ukrainian victory." The only source that says Russia has not lost the battle is Russia. As this is not an outlet for Russian propoganda, we should be sticking to proper sources. As nothing has been added to defend the "disputed" designation in the last two days, it appears that most agree that "Ukrainian victory" is more accurate. Wolf359Locutus (talk) 02:15, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

The only other logical choice is to call it ongoing, but it makes no sense to say that the battle has ended and deny a Ukrainian victory. Wolf359Locutus (talk) 02:17, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: Might I add that this is not an outlet for Ukrainian propaganda either; the sources that describe the town as being Ukrainian controlled all cite the Ukrainian government. As the result is disputed between the two sides and there no independent source that clarifies, the status quo is preferred. Curbon7 (talk) 03:53, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

All major news outlets consider Chuhuiv to be Ukrainian controlled. Wolf359Locutus (talk) 17:07, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Here are two independent sources. The first states explicitly that Ukraine successfully defended the town and still holds it. The second is video evidence of a Ukrainian demining team working within Chuhuiv.Wolf359Locutus (talk) 18:14, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

https://www.channel4.com/news/ukraine-warns-russia-is-preparing-new-assault-on-kharkiv

https://www.scien.cx/2022/04/06/ukraine-war-demining-work-continues-in-chuhuiv/ Wolf359Locutus (talk) 18:14, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Heres a Forbes article which references the Ukrainian victory at Chuhuiv.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/sebastienroblin/2022/04/01/in-night-raid-choppers-blow-up-fuel-depot-on-russian-soil-near-ukraine/?sh=51494bb34ca1 Wolf359Locutus (talk) 18:19, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 6 April 2022

Add note on result of Battle of Konotop saying that the city has since been retaken by Ukraine, just like there is on Battle of Ivankiv. Wolf359Locutus (talk) 17:13, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

 Done Curbon7 (talk) 18:37, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 10 April 2022

Change Battles of Mykolaiv and Chuhuiv from ongoing and disputed to Ukrainian victory. As stated above, these battles were won by Ukraine, and it would be incorrect to describe either as ongoing. Sources to that effect were provided above, and have received no answer. Either make the changes or tell me what else you need. Wolf359Locutus (talk) 18:41, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Battle of sloviansk

That battle started April the 7th and is not on the lost of conflicts Huumas (talk) 21:40, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

 Done Added it under the April section. HappyWithWhatYouHaveToBeHappyWith (talk) 21:54, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 10 April 2022

Change the Battel of Volnovakha from Russian Victory to Ongoing. I checked the source for teh russian victory and it makes no such statement. I was unable to find any source saying that the town had been captured, or that Ukraine still controlled it. There is one source suggesting that over 300 Russian soldiers had to be evacuated from the area recently, but as of now there is no solid evidence either way.Wolf359Locutus (talk) 18:56, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

I can't find any major source, but here's two sources at all.

https://www.digitaljournal.com/world/russia-our-sacred-state-school-reopens-under-moscow-control/article and https://interfax.com.ua/news/general/823565.html Dawsongfg (talk) 02:35, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: Per sources provided by Dawson. Curbon7 (talk) 04:08, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Also, airstrikes etc are not continuations, only actual combat INSIDE the settlement would be a continuation. Take Izium for example, the battle's done, even though there's fighting close on the outskirts. Dawsongfg (talk) 04:28, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Moskva

There should be an addition made to the article regarding the strike on the Moskva Black Sea Fleet flagship.2601:580:4301:7730:E520:A0BC:5AFD:DB32 (talk) 00:19, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

On military strikes which should be changed to bombardments or something like that. Dawsongfg (talk) 02:33, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Yeah the section should be changed from "airstrikes" to "bombardments" or "missile strikes" or "aerial bombardments" or similar and add the Moskva strike.2601:580:4301:7730:6CF4:F11A:3FF9:8A79 (talk) 04:44, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Odessa should be included somewhere

I agree that there is no "battle of Odessa," however I do not believe that this should mean that this notable event should be excluded from this article entirely. Perhaps the airstrikes section can be expanded to include bombing campaigns, with start and end dates? Or expand the battles section to include notable long bombing campaigns? ShuffleboardJerk (talk) 23:03, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Battles unincluded

Rubizhne, Kreminna, Popasna, and Huliaipole have all had or are currently having semi-major noteworthy battles that I believe are deserving of their own articles. There is quite a bit of major media reporting on these areas, and they are just brief mentions on the Eastern Ukraine offensive and Battle of Sievierodonetsk pages. Jebiguess (talk) 14:41, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

April

Add Battle of Donbas 18 April 2022 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.126.133.15 (talk) 13:53, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Hostomel battle

It should be "russian victory and subsequent withdrawal" 151.50.243.60 (talk) 18:34, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

Hostomel was never comfortably under Russian control, evidenced by the fact that they couldnt use Antonov airport to bring in equipment and personnel. Wolf359Locutus (talk) 17:51, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

That is because the runway was destroyed, which is noted in that article. The town itself was under Russian occupation for a bit, but was ultimately a Ukrainian victory in direct combat. Curbon7 (talk) 01:49, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Withdrawal vs defeat

The Russians were NOT defeated. They just removed their troops for peace negotiations. 2A00:23C7:5882:8201:24DA:6303:B686:4E73 (talk) 16:49, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

If you are referring to the “Ukrainian victory”’s that ended in Russian withdrawal, that would be because the battles were still ongoing when the withdrawal took place, meaning “retreat”, which in terms gives the Ukrainian forces the victory. Elijahandskip (talk) 16:54, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Infrastructure

What I'm missing in the list, is the attacs on infrastructure. On 25 April, five railway stations were hit by Russian misseles. A specific strategic operations on the Ukrainian infrastructure. Besides of that, there have been strategic attacks on fuel stations and bridges. See for instance this article of the Guardian. It is mentioned by media that the Ukrainian infrastructure, and specifically the rail netwerk may play a key role in the war. See for exmample this NBC news article. I think it would be good if such strategic, infrastructure attacks be listed in this list. Maybe a red link could be created like Infrastructure attacks in the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine. 82.174.61.58 (talk) 08:43, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Missing notable battles

Can these notable battles be included, with media coverage, and multiple foreign Wikipedia pages.

• Battle of Hlukhiv (24 February; Ukrainian victory)
• Battle of Romny (1 March - 31 March; Ukrainian victory)
• Battle of Rubizhne (ongoing since 4 March 2022)
• Battle of Makariv (28 February - 1 April; Ukrainian victory)

82.174.61.58 (talk) 08:56, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

It is doubtful that these are notable battles. Curbon7 (talk) 18:36, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Battle of Moschun

Muschun was an important battle for Ukraine, as had the Russians taken it they could have advanced on Kyiv, bypassing Irpin, Bucha, and Hotsomel. Theres a lot of footage from the battle and CNN just did a report on it. It is of strategic importance to the Kyiv offensive and ought to be added. Wolf359Locutus (talk) 01:04, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

Battle drafts

There are current skirmishes in Lysychansk, Rubizhne, and Popasna that I believe are notable enough to deserve their own pages; at least, the latter two do. Jebiguess (talk) 22:17, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Battle of Severodonetsk

Please add https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Sievierodonetsk_(2022) DrYisus (talk) 23:41, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

This list of battles

The list of battles have been quite stagnant recently. I know the war is also kind of stagnant but man just add a few more battles. 2601:681:0:7DB0:DD6F:25A0:5735:B360 (talk) 02:50, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Battles, like everything else, must adhere to our notability criteria. As opposed to the initial stage of the war, which featured several large-scale battles, the current stage of the war primarily consists of small-scale skirmishes, which generally do not receive the level of sourcing necessary to be considered notable. However, many of these skirmishes are still covered in the broad scheme of things in the articles for the various fronts. Curbon7 (talk) 04:01, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Battle of Kharkiv

The Russians have already being pushed back from Kharkiv. The Ukrainians won this battle. Ref: Battle of Kharkiv (2022) & https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/07/world/europe/russia-ukraine-kharkiv-victory-day.html 182.239.120.133 (talk) 10:45, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Battle of Romny

Is this battle real? I have found no reference about that in any RS. DrYisus (talk) 23:05, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Mariupol

The battle has ended. https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2022/may/17/russia-ukraine-war-bloodiest-battle-ends-as-ukrainian-fighters-evacuated-from-mariupol-steel-plant-live Ukraine end the defense of azovstal plant. https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-61461805 DrYisus (talk) 10:01, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Battle of Antonov Airport

The result of the Battle of Antonov Airport is far more complex than the list suggests. It is unquestionably a Ukrainian tactical victory, as Russia was unable to use the airport to bring in troops and equipment in the early days of the war. This is reflected in the fact that the article on the Battle does not state a victor. It is incorrect to call it a "Russian Victory" without that qualification.Wolf359Locutus (talk) 21:52, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Add Lyman battle

It should be in this list because it is an important battle in Donbass. And, i would add also Bakhmut battle 151.45.242.1 (talk) 20:53, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Bakhmut

Why was that deleed? Dawsongfg (talk) 15:36, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

I draftified it because it was really really poor quality and needs work in draftspace before it is ready for mainspace. Curbon7 (talk) 18:44, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 30 May 2022

Please change the result of Battle of Lyman as disputed, the wiki page for the battle says so. Moreover, the battle is not inconclusive in any way. Justnobodyhere (talk) 11:06, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

I don't understand. Battle of Lyman clearly says "Russian victory" and provides four sources for it. Please change the "|answered=yes" to "no" if I'm missing something. DarthFlappy 14:30, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Lysychansk battle

Add Lysychansk battle because is one of the most important battle in Lugansk Oblast 151.45.242.1 (talk) 21:00, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

true, but no page. also it's luhansk Dawsongfg (talk) 15:01, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

No Subject

What's the policy on two battles, like let's say Russian forces repelled from somewhere then they attempt to attack again, at the same place? Dawsongfg (talk) 17:53, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

• If it was on me, I'd simply make two entries in case there are articles about these two battles. --M1911 (talk) 16:12, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Adding battles having articles

Please, add to the table Battle of Toshkivka, Battle of Marinka (2022), and probably Battle of Starobilsk.

Also please set Battle of Trostianets to Russian victory and subsequent withdrawal. Russia has taken this city, not repelled as a fail of it. As I can see, these cases are still marked as Russian victory, not a Ukrainian one. --M1911 (talk) 16:08, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

• Also Battle of Vuhledar as well. --M1911 (talk) 14:18, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

Not really. Dawsongfg (talk) 14:44, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

There was a counteroffensive there. Making a battle. Also the Battle of Starobilsk got merged. Dawsongfg (talk) 14:45, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Battle of Donbas and Battle of Azovstal

It doesn't make sense to me to list either of these in the article. For the Battle of Donbas, there's a clear confusion. The Battle of Popasna is also listed, which its own article says is part of the Battle of Donbas (even though it started before the BoD, but that's another issue entirely). Isn't the Battle of Donbas more of an offensive? It doesn't seem fitting for this article.

The same goes for the "Battle of Azovstal", which is indisputably just another stage of the also-listed Siege of Mariupol. Why are the main siege page and the sub-battle of Azovstal listed here as if they're separate events? This is redundant and potentially confusing to readers. HappyWithWhatYouHaveToBeHappyWith (talk) 22:01, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Update for future editors: Azovstal has been removed, as the article was merged. HappyWithWhatYouHaveToBeHappyWith (talk) 03:27, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

Another update: I've also removed the BoD, per my comments here + the fact that the whole invasion has basically converged on Donbas. HappyWithWhatYouHaveToBeHappyWith (talk) 01:53, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Except we kind of need it unless somebody's willing to edit the Eastern Offensive article. Dawsongfg (talk) 03:31, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

I don’t get what you mean. Can you elaborate? HappyWithWhatYouHaveToBeHappyWith (talk) 04:22, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

It contains latest information, unlike the Eastern Ukraine Offensive article. Dawsongfg (talk) 17:51, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

I don't see why that merits it being in a list that I've argued it doesn't belong in for other reasons. The content (being up-to-date, etc) of the page doesn't really matter, what matters is if the subject belongs. HappyWithWhatYouHaveToBeHappyWith (talk) 02:50, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

@HappyWithWhatYouHaveToBeHappyWith The one issue with removing BoD from the table is that the only two remaining ongoing engagements are "Battle of Avdiivka" and "Battle of Dovhenke". This is clearly not the case, as there are ongoing battles right now literally everywhere in the Donbas. With the Russian victories lately in the Donbas I understand that there's a dearth of information regarding which battles are still ongoing but there is definitely a clear frontline with battles happening across it.

If there were more pages about ongoing battles for the invasion right now, then I could see why we would remove BoD, but removing BoD from the table gives an impression for the average reader that there are no ongoing engagements in the Donbas right now. I think we should relink the BoD article in the table, so that people can see clearly that the ongoing engagements are concentrated in the Donbas.

Tagging editors who have previously been involved with this or similar topics: @Dawsongfg @M1911 @EkoGraf @Mr.User200 PilotSheng (talk) 16:50, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

These are not only two engagements apart from the main Battle of Donbass. If you look below, you can find that there are articles Battle of Marinka (2022) and Battle of Vuhledar right now (and Battle of Starobilsk that got merged, but redirect exists). But seems no one is willing to put them in the table, despite me writing about them for a few times.
Honestly, I'd put BoD back to the table is it was, because it's indeed a battle. P.S. And if you link all the cases when Russian army captured something and withdrew much later as "Russian victory and subsequent withdrawal", then Battle of Trostyanets is not "Ukrainian victory" but "Russian victory and subsequent withdrawal": the Russian Armed Forces hold the city for 25 days. --M1911 (talk) 16:58, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

It's a Ukrainian victory. Dawsongfg (talk) 17:48, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Reason in other Dawsongfg (talk) 17:48, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Ah, well, indeed not the same case as with cities such as Irpen. Was not too clear from infoboxes and etc. Still, we have Marinka and Vuhledar which should be placed. --M1911 (talk) 17:59, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Yeah the issue is that the page is protected, so we don't have edit wars similar to the map. Dawsongfg (talk) 21:55, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Battle of Snihurivka and Battle of Kherson Oblast

I think it would be necessary to create articles that talk about the Battle of Snihurivka northwest of the city of Kherson, or rather, an article that talked about all the fighting in the Kherson Oblast and not just focus on one city or town Matias Taboadaxx (talk) 22:04, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

The latter would be the outdated Southern Ukraine offensive. Dawsongfg (talk) 23:40, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

There is no physical battle in Snihurivka yet and making a battle page for a whole province is nonsense, specially when we already have pages for the battles in individual localities such as Kherson and Davydiv Brid. Super Ψ Dro 23:14, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

I understand, but there are only major city battles, like Kherson, Mariupol, Kharkiv, Sieverodonetsk, etc. I understand that there is still no physical battle in Snihurivka, but right now north of this city there is fighting, specifically in the field. Such battles go unnoticed in wikipedia, also the fights in Orikhiv and Huliapole, the fights west of the city of the city of Kherson, north of Zaporitzia in general, etc. The Battle of Lysychansk also ended, but there is still fighting west of the city towards the city of Bakmuth. Matias Taboadaxx (talk) 23:38, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

For example, the battle of Kharkiv was completed, but there is nothing that happens on the border and the fighting north of the city. other examples: The bombing in the Sumy Oblast. The fighting near Kyselivka, Oleksandrivka, Snihurivka, Dabrid bid, Arkhangels, etc, (Kherson).

Huliapole, Orihiv, Polohy (Zaporitzia).

the fighting near Vulhedar, Marinka, Vyleka Novosilivka, Toresk, Niu York, audivkiva, East of Hirske, South of Bakmuth, North of Sloviansk (Donetsk).

The fighting west of Izyum and the fighting north and east of Kharkiv. Matias Taboadaxx (talk) 23:51, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Snake Island...

...needs to be renamed on here marked as a Ukrainian victory. Dawsongfg (talk) 17:05, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

No, that is the article for the battle in February. Curbon7 (talk) 18:20, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

The article name still changed. Dawsongfg (talk) 23:41, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

Battle of Snihurivka - Kherson Óblast

I think you should see this information from an OSINT geolocator, it shows fights around Snihurivka just a few meters from the beginning of the city. https://twitter.com/GeoConfirmed/status/1544422842753814530?t=u1Pk9URh22OQP323vKPg9w&s=19 Matias Taboadaxx (talk) 05:33, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

• sorry, I was wrong, it is in the Mykolaiv Oblast Matias Taboadaxx (talk) 05:35, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Consensus

Consensus to remove the protection and make it the basic one (forgot what it is).
Reasoning: As you can see (multiple battles aren't added) this is somewhat outdated.
Pros: Quicker updates.
Cons: Possible (No, definite) edit wars.
Ways to fix the con: Permanent block on whoever edit wars.
Dawsongfg (talk) 04:07, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

• Permanent block even without a warning before seems way too harsh for me. Otherwise, why not allowing it to auto-confirmed users. Btw, another new page, Battle of Huliaipole, that I can't even add here. --M1911 (talk) 21:05, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

  Then a block or something. There's something on the map. Dawsongfg (talk) 04:29, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Edit request 20 July 2022

Moved from User talk:M1911 § Request

 – SWinxy (talk) 03:45, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

Add the following entries this way, as explained here:

March–June 2022

Name	Oblast	Start date	End date	Offensive	Result
Battle of Vuhledar	Donetsk	13 March		Eastern Ukraine offensive	Ongoing
Battle of Marinka	Donetsk	17 March		Eastern Ukraine offensive	Ongoing

 Partly done: Battle of Marinka added. Nythar^T.C 06:37, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

Tagging this request as answered: the article Battle of Vuhledar was recently deleted following this AfD request. You are free to reopen the edit request. P1221 (talk) 10:08, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

Additions

Articles for the battles of Makariv, Hlukhiv, Romny, and Bohorodychne-Krasnopillia have been created, so I think the list might need an update. Jebiguess (talk) 20:09, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Never mind, I just noticed Makariv is already on there. The rest are not though. Jebiguess (talk) 20:10, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Changing Ukraine's colour?

I think the battles won by Ukraine should be coloured blue instead of yellow, as blue would be easier to read against Russia's red. Though there are other options, Russia's colour instead could be changed to blue, which would contrast better since blue and yellow are pairs. Ultimately I think the tables would look nicer with a new colour scheme 675930s (talk) 09:24, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

Oppose As it stands, it matches the color of the map, and changing the color of the map would be confusing and abrupt as well. I could get behind making the shade of yellow a bit lighter though. NicolinoChess31415926 (talk) 03:43, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Yes actually, that's a better idea. The shade of yellow on the map is noticeably lighter than the one in the tables, so the table's yellow should be changed to match the map 675930s (talk) 10:33, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Battle of Soledar

About talk on adding the Battle of Huliaipole, that is not an offensive battle anymore. Counteroffensive battles are not in this list. If you want to change that than that is another discussion. But there is only one offensive battle that is not here. The Battle of Soledar should be added. It is a crucial battle to the war currently, and plays a huge role in the offensive to take Bakhmut. 173.54.55.97 (talk) 22:29, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Color change request

I would like to change the shade of yellow in the tables to the lighter shade seen on the frontline map. That shade contrasts much more against the red and is thus easier to read. 675930s (talk) 04:07, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

 Done. I've changed the color from #E3D975 to #FDE182, I also think it looks better. Please other editors, feel free to revert if there is any problem with this change. AdrianHObradors (talk) 09:57, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Another color change request

It seems not to be appropriate that there is the same color denoting “Russian victory” and “Russian victory - withdrawal”. Would you consider changing the color of “withdrawal” to another shade (perhaps, the Ukrainian advance blue) in order to separate the places that is still under occupation from the once retaken by Ukraine. Eagowl (talk) 23:45, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Eagowl, that seems like a more substantial change. Lets wait for more input from other users, see what they think. AdrianHObradors (talk) 07:26, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

Battle of Pisky

Russian forces have fully capture Pisky as announced by the Russian MoD. Please change the status to Russian Victory. 24.91.190.77 (talk) 09:12, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

24.91.190.77, Article seems to indicate that the Ukrainians claim the battle is still ongoing. Although better sources are needed. AdrianHObradors (talk) 12:14, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

ISW have said that geolocated footage indicates that Russian and DNR forces have now secured Pisky and are making further attacks from it. The page on the battle of Pisky now has it listed as a Russian and DNR victory so it should be changed to indicate a Russian victory2A00:23C8:905:2701:940E:4AB8:88AD:4E2 (talk) 12:35, 26 August 2022 (UTC).

2A00:23C8:905:2701:940E:4AB8:88AD:4E2, Could you please provide the source? — AdrianHObradors (talk) 14:00, 26 August 2022 (UTC); edit: No problem, found it AdrianHObradors (talk) 14:03, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

More neutral sources like ISW, DPA, Military Lab, Analisi Difesa say that Pisky is under russian control. In a war, is normal that both sides make propaganda to meep high the morale of their army — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.45.252.74 (talk) 22:59, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Battle of Zolochiv

Please add the Battle of Zolochiv 24.91.190.77 (talk) 11:47, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

24.91.190.77,  Done— AdrianHObradors (talk) 11:52, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 29 August 2022

Can you update the end dates for Davydiv Brid and Pisky to June 16 and August 24 respectively, so that they properly match the dates in the articles. 72.229.242.36 (talk) 18:15, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

 Done Nythar^T.C 23:00, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

Mykolaiv Offensive

Please add the Mykolaiv Offensive. LegendaryChristopher (talk) 02:01, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

 Done. Although citation is needed for "Russian offensive halted" — AdrianHObradors (talk) 10:01, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

Battle of Orikhiv

Please add the battle of Battle of Orikhiv LegendaryChristopher (talk) 12:18, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

 Done— AdrianHObradors (talk) 09:20, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Battle of Siversk

There is no source claiming the battle is over or a Ukrainian Victory. Please change the status to Ongoing. LegendaryChristopher (talk) 23:14, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

 Already done by N8wilson (see section below) — AdrianHObradors (talk) 09:25, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 6 September 2022

Please Change the status of the Battle of Siversk from Ukrainian Victory to Ongoing as there is no verifiable proof of the battle being over or a Ukrainian victory. LegendaryChristopher (talk) 23:20, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

 Done because there is no sourcing for a decisive resolution. The target article references appear to point to a stalemate in late July early August so it's possible there is new information out there and this gets changed back quickly - hopefully with sourcing. --N8_wilson 🔔 23:33, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Remove the end date. LegendaryChristopher (talk) 04:03, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

 Done yep - missed that. Thanks! --N8_wilson 🔔 04:07, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 8 September 2022

please add the battles of Bohorodychne and Krasnopillia LegendaryChristopher (talk) 21:45, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Please provide some more information for this edit LegendaryChristopher. A reliable source should be identified for adding new material and in this case, it would be helpful to have the corresponding information for each battle (i.e. the Oblast ... Result columns). --N8_wilson 🔔 01:22, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

 Done AdrianHObradors (talk) 09:28, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Kupiansk counteroffensive

Please add article about currently conducted Ukrainian counteroffensive east of Kharkiv, which is probably aimed on re-capturing Kupiansk and Izium. 83.21.57.143 (talk) 08:57, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

83.21.57.143, Is there an article about it somewhere? — AdrianHObradors (talk) 09:30, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

There are some unusable sources for Kupyansk, so soon there might be some reliable sources, and if someone wishes to and is likely to achieve consensus on notability, then s/he could create an article once enough reliable sources are available. There are some sources such as this one for the beginning of the event, prior to reaching Kupyansk. Boud (talk) 11:03, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Seems like Kharkiv Oblast blitzkrieg might soon be the common name, before Wikipedians even have the chance to find a moment free to start the article... Boud (talk) 23:48, 9 September 2022 (UTC) There was a rename to 2022 Ukrainian counteroffensive (August–present); this covers the blitzkrieg. Boud (talk) 23:53, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 10 September 2022

Please add the 2022 Ukrainian Kharkiv counteroffensive LegendaryChristopher (talk) 12:31, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

 Already done ––FormalDude (talk) 15:15, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Add Kharkiv Counteroffensive page

The page 2022 Ukrainian Kharkiv Counteroffensive exists, it should be added to the list. PixelatedGalaxy (talk) 12:44, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, typo. 2022 Ukrainian Kharkiv counteroffensive should be right. PixelatedGalaxy (talk) 12:46, 10 September 2022 (UTC

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 11 September 2022 (3)

Change the status of the Battle of Siversk from Ongoing to Ukrainian Victory. Russian Forces have withdrawn from city's outskirts. LegendaryChristopher (talk) 15:33, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

 Done Nythar^T.C 22:50, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 11 September 2022 (2)

Change the status of the Battles of Bohorodychne and Krasnopillia from Ongoing to Ukrainian Victory. Russian forces have withdrawn during Kharkov counteroffensive. LegendaryChristopher (talk) 15:30, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

 Done Nythar^T.C 22:55, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 11 September 2022 (5)

Change the status of the Kharkiv counteroffensive from Ongoing to Ukrainian Victory. Russian forces have fully withdrawn from the Kharkiv region. It's been confirmed by the Russian MoD. LegendaryChristopher (talk) 15:38, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Agree SawRunner (talk) 20:22, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: It appears there are Russian forces in eastern Kharkiv, so let's wait. Nythar^T.C 22:23, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

I mean, I don't think that just because it's called "Kharkiv offensive" it should be about whether or not there's still Russian forces in the "region" itself, otherwise there wouldn't be spillover into Donetsk and Luhansk regions. The occupation administration collapsed and Russian forces no longer hold any major settlements in Kharkiv oblast, in my opinion it's a win. SawRunner (talk) 22:58, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Multiple reliable sources describe the outcome as a Ukrainian victory: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/09/09/ukraine-takes-substantial-victory-russians-kharkiv-offensive/ https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-russia-war-kharkiv-victory-b2164503.html Perathian (talk) 00:59, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Battle of Sviatohirsk

Battle of Sviatohirsk should be changed to "Ongoing" or "Ukrainian victory", as Ukrainian forces recaptured the town (There is even a photo of a ukrianian soldier standing next to Sviatohirsk's monastry) SawRunner (talk) 16:08, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

 Done Nythar^T.C 17:59, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

New subsection: Beginning September–August 2022

As the war seems to have shifted into a new phase, with renewed battles, I am suggesting listing the battles starting from September (ie; the Ukrainian counter-offensive and the renewed activity in the Donbass from LDPR side) into a new subsection. 77.161.101.18 (talk) 21:35, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Battle of Dovhenke

Battle of Dovhenke should be changed from "Ongoing" to "Ukriainan victory" since Russian forces have left the town quite a long time ago SawRunner (talk) 10:03, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

I second this. If the Battles of Bohorodychne and Krasnopillia ended in a Ukrainian Victory, then so should the Battle of Dovhenke. DeepCriticalThinking (talk) 04:53, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

 Done Nythar^T.C 05:25, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 11 September 2022

Change the status of the Battle of Dovhenke from Ongoing to Ukrainian Victory. Russian forces have withdrawn from the vicinity. LegendaryChristopher (talk) 15:26, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

 Done Nythar^T.C 05:26, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Battle of Izium

Battle of Izium should be changed to "Ukrainian victory", as even on the page for the battle itself it puts the second battle as "Ukrainian victory" SawRunner (talk) 09:12, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

 Already done Nythar^T.C 05:44, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Battles of Bohorodychne and Krasnopillia

This battle has been verified as a Ukrainian Victory as the Russians been push back during the Kharkiv counteroffensive . 2601:198:102:750:0:0:0:E1D9 (talk) 16:24, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

 Already done Nythar^T.C 05:46, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Battle of Siversk

This has been confirmed as a Ukrainian victory as the Russians have fully withdrawn from the vicinity. 2601:198:102:750:0:0:0:E1D9 (talk) 16:27, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

 Already done Nythar^T.C 05:46, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 11 September 2022 (4)

Change the status of the Battle of Zolochiv from Ongoing to Ukrainian Victory. Russian forces have withdrawn during the Ukrainian Kharkiv counteroffensive. LegendaryChristopher (talk) 15:36, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: Article deleted. Nythar^T.C 05:47, 13 September 2022 (UTC)