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Email

I'm afraid I can't help you there, I'm not part of that email list. I'm not trying to be evasive here, I'm just not sure who specifically is part of the list so there's really not much help I can offer here. --Yamla (talk) 18:34, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

@Yamla: Thanks for your message. As far as I know all checkusers of the English Wikipedia have access to that queue. I actually found paid-en-wp@wikipedia.org on Wikipedia:Paid-contribution_disclosure#Reporting_undisclosed_paid_editors and Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard. Do you think I should re-send my email to functionaries-en@lists.wikimedia.org or checkuser-en-wp@wikipedia.org instead? 4nn1l2 (talk) 18:51, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
I'd start by resending to paid-en-wp@wikipedia.org and if you don't get a response there, I'd suggest functionaries-en@lists.wikimedia.org. For the latter, please just point to OTRS rather than directly including private data. It probably won't be a problem, but much better to be safe than sorry! :) --Yamla (talk) 19:26, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
@Yamla: One week passed. After I re-sent my email to paid-en-wp@wikipedia.org and then to functionaries-en@lists.wikimedia.org, I have not received any responses yet. Is this normal on enwiki? Sorry for my impatience, but CU data may get lost or become stale in the meantime. Thanks for your attention. 4nn1l2 (talk) 05:08, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

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ویکی انبار

درود، سپاسگذارم بابت حمایتتون در ویکی انبار، گویا از من درخواست کردید در ویکی انبار دیگر ویرایش نکنم که صورت گرفت و هیچ ویرایشی دیده نمیشود و اینکه به یک شخص یا اشخاص ایمیل بفرستم که هنوز جوابی دریافت نکردم! (با استفاده از جیمیل صورت گرفت) بنده تساویری از آثار تاریخی قوژذ (قلعه ریگ و مزار پیر قوژد) تهیه کردم و علاقه دارم در ویکی انبار ارسال کنم آیا میتوانید خود مجوز را به من بدهید؟ سپاسگذارم POS78 (talk) 12:41, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

@POS78: I sent you an email 4nn1l2 (talk) 12:47, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
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@Shahramrashidi: Please enable your email, so that I can respond to you. I don't want to write in Persian here on enwiki. Thanks 4nn1l2 (talk) 09:15, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
Sorry for it. It is done now. Shahram 09:48, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

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Motors

So what is the translation of Mowtowr-e 22 Bahman [fa]? Uncle G (talk) 11:11, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

  • @Uncle G: موتور is the Arabic transliteration of the French word fr:moteur meaning engine or motor in English. In this case they actually mean "engine pump". You see, it's all about water. We have plenty of oil/gas which we can burn to produce electricity, and then obtain water from deep wells, etc. The fact that these ābādīs are named after a European device means they are not that old. Most of these mowtowrs are inhabited for only a short span of time, say 20 years, and then abandoned completely and forgotten. They even don't have a proper name.

    Mowtowr-e 22 Bahman literally means 'Engine 22 Bahman', in which 22 Bahman is the same day as 11 February, the day that the 1979 revolution occurred in Iran. 4nn1l2 (talk) 11:45, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

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Tagging pages for deletion & notices

Hello, 4nn1l2,

Thank you for your work tagging pages for speedy deletion and proposed deletion. However, Carlossuarez46 has retired from the project and has been uninvolved in resolving problems with some of his page creations. Other editors PRODing his articles have stopped posting notices to his talk page and you have my permission to omit these as well while using Twinkle. Just uncheck the notify creator box. Right now, Carlos has over 200 notices on his talk page, mostly page deletion notices, and I don't think it is beneficial to post 200 more. If you have any questions about this, let me know. Thanks again for your help here. Liz Read! Talk! 01:42, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

Hello and thank you for message.
Although it makes no difference to me, I will uncheck the box so as not to bother Carlos. 4nn1l2 (talk) 01:48, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

Working on the list

User:Alexis Reggae/Articles for locations oh my what a mess 4nn1l2 (talk) 14:34, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

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Need help?

Hi, I read this and this and this and, more generally, tried to get up to date with this whole business. Long story short, how can I help with this cleanup ? I don't speak farsi but I do enjoy mind-numbing repetitive tasks. JBchrch (talk) 16:14, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi and thanks for your friendly offer. I think the task is almost done. 4nn1l2 (talk) 07:27, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
First, it has the term mazraeh (farm) in its name.
I don't see anything like "mazraeh" in "Yek Khisheh"? Yek Khisheh is in the third section of User:Alexis Reggae/Articles for locations oh my what a mess. It's eligible for mass-deletion. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 10:32, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
@Alexis Jazz: They are eligible for mass deletion, but they didn't get deleted, and as I said before, I don't want to pester enwiki admins (particulary Xeno) with my deletion requests. Two weeks ago I asked them to delete section 3 of your list, but they didn't. And I thought PRODing may be a quicker way to get ride of them.
Regarding mazraeh, my bad! Copy&paste error! If necessary, I will fix the PROD reasons. Wish there was VFC here on enwiki. 4nn1l2 (talk) 10:54, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
That is a shame.. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 11:21, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

Seriously?

Hello, 4nn1l2,

Did you really PROD over 300 articles on the same day? Do you realize there are only 2 or 3 admins who patrol this area over the course of a day and we have to evaluate each article individually? This will be a full-time job next Saturday. Maybe you could limit yourself to 20-30 PROD'd articles a day out of consideration for the administrators who need to deal with these proposed deletions? I realize that these senseless articles will need to be deleted but there is an actual process that needs to be done after they are tagged. Thank you for your work but please pace yourself and your deletion tagging. Liz Read! Talk! 03:19, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

Hello Liz,
Sorry, I'm not very familiar with enwiki bureaucracy. I didn't know that only 2 or 3 admins work on PRODs. (Enwiki has over 1000 admins and only 2 or 3 people patrol in that area regularly!!!)
Could you please have a look at the thread above? Section 3 of User:Alexis Reggae/Articles for locations oh my what a mess (i.e., this section) was eligible for mass-deletion, but it was not deleted despite requests. Maybe you could just delete these 242 articles now and the PROD queue won't get clogged anymore. You can delete them "blindly". [I didn't find a better word, so please don't get upset if the word "blindly" seems uncivil.] Thanks 4nn1l2 (talk) 03:35, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
You could say "without evaluation" in this case. @Liz: if needed and if it's okay with 4nn1l2 I could untag the articles. (though my first choice would be to just delete the articles from section 3, just yell if you need a tool) — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 09:56, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
@Alexis Jazz: To be honest, ‌blindly is not uncivil to me, and if we had this conversation on, say, Commons, I would use this word confidently. But I'm new to enwiki and here is somehow uncharted territory [for me], and I need to watch my steps, so as to avoid trouble.
I don't think removing PROD tags is the best course of action. Let me post again at AN and see if I can find an admin who is willing to delete them directly. I'm still puzzled why enwiki folks are so reluctant to delete junk. Are they afraid of ARBCOM? 🤔 4nn1l2 (talk) 10:48, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
Seems more like enwiki is understaffed in this area. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 11:44, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi Liz, Yesterday I PRODed exactly 30 pages (Category:Proposed deletion as of 12 May 2021) and today exactly 40 pages (Category:Proposed deletion as of 13 May 2021). But this limitation of 20-30 pages a day really slows me down. Is there any way that I can deal with this list in one sitting? This list is not comprehensive and only covers two Farsi terms (Mazraeh and Tolombeh), and I should add other terms to the list later.

  • Maybe I can PROD all these pages in one sitting and then manually change the timestamp so that you will deal with 30 pages each day?
  • Or maybe you could increase my limitation to at least 100 PRODed pages a day! (The more, the better.)

Thanks for your consideration 4nn1l2 (talk) 02:07, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

We need a more comprehensive list and consensus so I can unlink pages and they can be mass-deleted. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 05:12, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
Hi Alexis Jazz, I don't PROD all pages listed there blindly. I check every item and only PROD those that have a population of less than 100 people and 20 families. Please note that all abadis listed there are populated and the previous consensus does not apply, so we need a new consenus. But enwiki is highly bureaucratic and building another consensus for mass deletion is more demanding than PRODing individual articles. 4nn1l2 (talk) 11:19, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
Yes, new consensus is what I meant. How many do you think approximately are there? Because I don't know if PROD is really less demanding. While I was unlinking, I was wondering: why did Carlos create all these? I could kinda see creating stubs for villages with at least, say, 500 people. There would be a chance that someone who lives or has lived there would add content to the article, and since article creation can be a hurdle the creation of a stub would help. But what's the point for creating stubs for places where the entire population consists of two men and a dog, or even less than that? I really can't think of any reason beyond editcountitis. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 14:36, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
@Alexis Jazz: Exactly, see the leader-board: Special:Permalink/1018128193. He got the third rank in terms of page creation!
I guess there are about 1000 articles which will be PRODed by me in the next couple of months. Apart from Mazraeh (farm) and Tolombeh (water pump), which are currently on the list (User:4nn1l2/Abadi), three other Farsi terms have high frequency: Bagh (garden), Chah (water well),and Mowtowr (motorized pump). I should find other probable patterns (with fewer frequencies).
But this is not the end of the nightmare. In the near future (≈ two years later), the Iranian government may unveil a plan which assigns new codes to all villages. In this way, a village will be distinguishable from other types of abadi. Then we should delete all abadis and keep all villages. There are about 45,000 villages and 98,000 abadis in Iran (so 53,000 non-village abadis). Enwiki folks say that 70,000 articles have been created on enwiki about Iranian "villages". About 7,500 articles got deleted lately (uninhabited ones). About 1000 articles will be deleted in the current phase based on their title. The rest should be deleted after the Iranian government unveils its list. 4nn1l2 (talk) 17:04, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
They may? It's not certain? Because I have a crazy idea. We go sit on our asses for two years, then get consensus to mass-delete all the abadis in one sweep using the official list. Much less work. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 03:56, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
The Iranian government is generally dysfunctional, so I cannot guarantee anything about its future plans. Heck, we don't even know if a census will be held this year or not! Crippling sanctions have crushed the economy. Who knows? There may be another revolution or coup tomorrow! Assigning unique codes and identifying villages may be just wishful thinking (I just guess that is what they are going to do; no officials have talked about it).
Why am I here editing enwiki? Because these articles are getting imported to fawiki (and probably other wikis) and fawiki admins cannot protect the project by blocking offenders [don't make me talk about fawiki, cause I may want to bang my head against the wall], so I'm trying to reduce the negative effect of enwiki on other wikis. These 1000 articles with Tolombeh, Mowtowr are just a disgrace. 4nn1l2 (talk) 04:14, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
Okay, so not certain. If no officials have talked about it, how can you guess? Is there another indicator that they plan to do that? I understand your point about fawiki, but I suspect the bad wikis have already completed their import. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 12:23, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
Alexis Jazz, this is all I know about their plans. You can read it using Google Translate. They can just publish their list but in a manner that distinguishing a village from an abadi is not possible by ordinary people (just like the way the Iranian Statistical Center publishes the census results).
I'm sure other wikis will create such articles, one of them is azbwiki (Iranian Azerbaijan). 4nn1l2 (talk) 16:57, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

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You think that a few weeks to get rid of untrue stuff is a long time? Try ten years. ☺ Uncle G (talk) 05:41, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion

I've noticed you proposed a bunch of disambiguation pages at once in WP:AfD (e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Mowtowr-e_Khodadad) which fall under the criteria for speedy deletion WP:G14 (only disambiguates one extant Wikipedia page). Instead of going through AfD you can tag these pages for speedy deletion using {{Db-g14}}. Ideally, as stated in the template, if all these disambiguation pages only link to one article, you can just change them to redirects. Qwaiiplayer (talk) 12:37, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your suggestion. However, they do not fall under the criteria of WP:G14 as that requires the nominated page to disambiguate exactly zero pages: Regardless of title, disambiguation pages that disambiguate zero extant Wikipedia pages.
In order to avoid procedural/bureaucratic issues, I opted for AfD which is considered the safe option.
The redirects should be the other way round, i.e., Mowtowr-e Khodadad, Khash should be moved to Mowtowr-e Khodadad (which is impossible by non-admins).
Nevertheless, I'm done with AfDing Iranian abadis disambiguation pages, so there will be no more nominations by me, hence no concerns. Thanks again. 4nn1l2 (talk) 12:49, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Dealing with disambiguation pages

Hi! Thank you for working to sort out all the abadi articles. I know this is a massive task. I just have a suggestion about handling the left over dab pages. If a dab page has one entry left and it's title does not end in "(disambiguation)", there's usually no need to delete it: you can:

Hi Uanfala, the second bullet is exactly what I wanted. But I guessed that these requests would most probably be contested and further discussion might be needed, so I opted for AfD directly. I'm unfamiliar with enwiki atmosphere, so I may have been wrong.
I'm willing to close all those AfDs and just request to move the pages only if that procedure is less challenging and demanding. To be honest, I prefer not to be dragged into discussions at the moment. Thanks 4nn1l2 (talk) 13:15, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
There's no easier way to get dragged into discussions that starting them yourself :) I don't think there's much to gain by withdrawing the existing AfD nominations. Going forward, however, if you're anticipating many more such cases, it will probably be easier to just compile a list of pages to be moved and then ask an admin to move them, similar to how the deletions were handled. That's probably the most efficient way. To be workable, such a list will need to contain only the most obvious cases – dab pages with only Iranian entries, where all except one are deleted abadi articles. For dab page with even slight complications (having non-Iranian entries like Chahe, or non-empty "see also" sections like Gowd), AfD and PROD remain the better options. – Uanfala (talk) 13:34, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
By discussion, I meant a discussion for mass action (deletion or move) like the one here which took weeks to reach a consensus and months to be finally implemented. I don't mind AfD discussions most of which I anticipate to be soft-closed by the admin without any participation by the community. That being said, I am almost done with AfDing abadi DABs. Thanks 4nn1l2 (talk) 13:43, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
Use Twinkle to tag Db-move. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 18:01, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion#G6: For disambiguation pages that disambiguate one or zero pages, see criterion G14. 4nn1l2 (talk) 22:05, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
In this case, the disambig disambiguates one extant Wikipedia page and doesn't end in "(disambiguation)" so G14 doesn't apply. G14 is preferred over G6 if it applies I guess, but if it doesn't I don't see it saying anywhere you can't use G6. If it makes you more comfortable, replace the disambig with a redirect before requesting G6? — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 03:53, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

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Thank you!

Hello, 4nn1l2,

I just wanted to say thank you for sorting through all of these stub articles about towns in Iran. Although it can be overwhelming to face hundreds of similar articles that have been PROD'd, there are several admins who patrol PRODs and it looks like you've taken on identifying these nonessential articles as a solitary activity. These kinds of tasks, tagging hundreds (thousands?) of junk article for deletion, is a rather thankless but necessary job and I just wanted to acknowledge how you have contributed to Wikipedia. Thanks! Liz Read! Talk! 02:31, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

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