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MHP MP who have joined AKP

Hi

Do you have his name? --Panam2014 (talk) 20:58, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

Who said MHP. IYI Party mp Tamer Akkal. Beshogur (talk) 00:18, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Yesterday, Yildirim have resigned from office of Speaker. When will he resign from parliament? --Panam2014 (talk) 22:45, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Why should he resign from the parliament? There are lot of parliamentary members who are municipal candidates right now. Beshogur (talk) 23:50, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

But if they will be elected, they will resign from parliament? --Panam2014 (talk) 12:52, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

Yes. Beshogur (talk) 15:28, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

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Hello I am a user of Persian Wikipedia and I have translated parts of the article and had a question about the 2019 Turkish offensive into north-eastern Syria article. See Background and Deaths toll for Turkey border regions north of Syria Jan. 2018 - Sep. 2019, before 9 Oct. The 2019 offensive is said: It is not known if this activity is or not related to Syria's YPG and SDF, or from Turkey or Iraqi PKK. By Turkey does it mean the Turkish government or the PKK branch in Turkey. Mohammad bahrami cyruc (talk) 14:25, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

No idea actually, I've removed it, because doesn't clarify anything. Beshogur (talk) 14:45, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

List of military occupations

You just made a change removing sourced material for no clear reason, as such I've reverted your change. I'd love to hear, on the article talk page, the reasons for your change and would be happy to discuss it there. Just as a friendly reminder, this article is under the same 1RR restrictions discussed with you above. Good day.-Serialjoepsycho- (talk) 21:44, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

It is no more north Aleppo. Parts of Raqqa and Hasakah governorates are controlled by Turkey right now. Beshogur (talk) 16:14, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

Drive-by tagging on 2019 Turkish offensive into north-eastern Syria

Hello there, you added a template regarding the possibility of original research in Rojava#Turkish motives without an accompanying section on the talk page that details the issue. No drive by tagging, please. Thank you. Sisuvia (talk) 17:13, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Ways to improve Operation Kıran (2019)

Hello, Beshogur,

Thank you for creating Operation Kıran (2019).

I have tagged the page as having some issues to fix, as a part of our page curation process and note that:

It may be helpful to describe what the operation *is*, and not just that it exists. However, this is a current even that I am not very knowledgeable of, so I will be watching the page for developments.

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Utopes (talk) 02:53, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

@Utopes: Hello,

It is an operation conducted by Turkish Security forces against Kurdistan Workers Party inside Turkey, in order to lower the organizations presence, which is recognized as a 'terror organization' in Turkey. It is currently at its sixth phase. I made a new page because the I saw the operation lot of times in the media, so I searched it on Wikipedia if it existed or not. It didn't, so I decided to make a new one. I will keep try to hold the article up to date. Thanks. Beshogur (talk) 10:28, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

You say "It is an operation conducted by Turkish Security forces against Kurdistan Workers Party inside Turkey, in order to lower the organizations presence, which is recognized as a 'terror organization' in Turkey. It is currently at its sixth phase." This is great! I would include something to this vain in the article at some point in time. I see that you are currently working on the article, as you created many sections for the different phases of the operation, and I believe that you intend to fill these with content. All that is present is that the topic is an ongoing operation, and there are no details about what the operation actually is. Utopes (talk) 01:00, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

I wanted to let you know that I moved the article to draftspace because the article is not yet finished. There are many completely blank sections, and I'm not sure how long the article will be unedited. Whenever you get back and add in the information, you can move it back into the article space. Thanks for understanding! Utopes (talk) 06:07, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Hello, I've updated the page. Can you check? Beshogur (talk) 13:09, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

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Ottoman Turkish

Hello. This is probably impossible to find a RS written in English that uses دولت روم. However, I think this is probably easier to find a RS about it in Turkish sources. You are right, دولت روم (devlet-i rum) is Persian; but this is true about rest of the names of the Ottoman Empire, including Devlet-i ʿAlīye-i ʿOsmānīye and Devlet-i Ebed-müddet. "-i" (or "-e") is a Persian suffix that makes the words related. Like Naqsh-e Jahan. However, this is not hard to see دولت روم in primary sources. Here is Treaty of Erzurum's text (which is in Persian):

چون در این اوقات اولیای دولتین بهیّتین روس و انگلیس به مقتضای مراتب خیرخواهی و صلاح‌اندیشی سعی و اهتمام تمام دارند که فیمابین دولتین علیّتین ایران و روم اسباب التیام و مسالمت و مصالحت فراهم آورده، به دفع و رفع عوامل بین‌الدولتین پردازند، و وکیلی از جانب خود و دولت علیه روم روانه ارزنهً‌الروم نمایند که در آنجا با وکیل این دولت علیه اجلاس و گفت‌وگو کرده، موافق قانون انصاف قراری درباب مطالب و حقوق ثابته این دولت علیه گذارند.

دولت علیه روم = the Exalted State of Rome

دولتین علیّتین ایران و روم = the two Exalted States; Iran and Rome

The word علیه (ʿAlīye) means exalted, like دولت عليه عثمانیه, which means the Exalted Ottoman State. Aryzad (talk) 17:05, 13 December 2019 (UTC)‎

Alright. Thanks! Beshogur (talk) 17:30, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Future Party

Hello. First of all, you do not remove sourced content in articles. Anyway, even if the Future Party are trying to force through using their entire name as an abbreviation, then that simply does not make it an abbreviation. As I mentioned, this has been attempted by parties such as the Motherland Party. But on Wikipedia, we are to refer to the parties by the names by which they are actually known to the public. As I have demonstrated by adding 4 citations to the GP abbreviations, journalists have already begun referring to the Future Party as GP; that is all we need to also refer to it as such. Do not revert again. Μαρκος Δ 14:10, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

Why aren't you referring to İyi Party as İP then? It is clearly WP:SYNTH. The party says that they have no abbreviation, while you are removing the sourced content. I would ask to revert your edit. Beshogur (talk) 14:17, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

The point of an abbreviation is literally to shorten the name of a party. "Gelecek Partisi" is, by definition, not an abbreviation of "Gelecek Partisi", as it doesn't shorten anything, it's just the same name. I have referred to the İyi Party as both İYİ and İP in the past. Even if the party itself says it has no abbreviation, we generally do not operate with the parties' own self-description, neither when it comes to ideology nor necessarily with regards to abbreviation. The U.S. Republicans are called the GOP even though it's not even related to their current actual name. Calling the Future Party GP is more than fine. I cannot for the life of me understand why you even care about this. The "GP" abbreviation stays, and I will continue to add new sources of GP being used as they come in. Μαρκος Δ 15:31, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

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What's your deal?

It seems to me like you're determined to quarrel over every single little thing on the Future Party article. What's your deal? Are you literally still just bitter about the "GP" episode? The sentence stating that the party has not declared any official ideology was literally included because you listed that in the infobox. But it doesn't belong in the infobox because "no ideology" is not an ideology. So what exactly are you doing here? So I moved it from the infobox to the text. It uses the same source that you added to the article. Are you capable of understanding this? Or do you need me to explain it to you multiple times like I had to do last time? Don't let your personal grudges affect your behavior on Wikipedia. Μαρκος Δ 22:55, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

What I did was wrong, right by putting directly the pdf. Try to use secondary sources. WP:PRIMARY. Also WP:PA. This is my fault now? As I said it was orginal research. Glad you understand it now. Beshogur (talk) 22:59, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

Yes, you added that source to the article. I just did not want to delete another user's work completely. Keeping it was a gesture. But yes, clearly your mistake was too large to keep in the article. I am glad you are capable of recognizing that you made a significant mistake here :)

Edit: Let it be crystal clear that there is no WP:PA here. If you were offended by my phrasing, I'm sorry that you feel that way. It was not my intention to attack and maybe I, too, could've expressed myself better. Μαρκος Δ 23:12, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

Fine. Have a nice day. Beshogur (talk) 23:17, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

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Turkish Invasion of Cyprus

Hello, Beshogur. I noticed that in your most recent edit to the article, you introduced a self-published source by someone who is presumably a non-expert (Levent Ağaoğlu). It appears he’s only published two works, including this one. Aside from having no apparent credentials, I couldn’t find out much about him, even while searching in Turkish. So, I’m curious. Can you tell me how this is a reliable source, and why it warrants inclusion as a citation? Symmachus Auxiliarus (talk) 20:58, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

WP:Hound? Beshogur (talk) 21:10, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

No, friend. And honestly, that’s a completely inappropriate response, especially as we’ve interacted on a grand total of two pages. I have a multitude of such controversial pages watchlisted, whether it be about geopolitics, or pseudoscience, and I saw the recent change. That’s mostly what I do one here: copyediting, and page patrolling. Regardless... I made a good-faith effort to seek out the reliability of the source, and contact you to ask about it. I’d appreciate it if you answered the question. Symmachus Auxiliarus (talk) 02:22, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

I found it on google books, did include as a source. What is wrong? Beshogur (talk) 10:50, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

Battle of Dumlupınar

Merhaba. Büyük Taarruz Batı Cephesi'nin bir parçası olduğu için "Part of the Great Offensive of the Greco-Turkish War (1919–22)" ifadesini kurdum. "Yunan-Türk Savaşı'nın (1919–22) Büyük Taarruz'unun parçası". - Aybeg (talk) 17:31, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

Ha tamam. Yalnız vikipedide kurallar öyle değil, ikisi and diye belirtiliyor hep. Beshogur (talk) 17:56, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

Kurdish terrorism

Maybe you can help expanding this page? regards Marcel Schelzer (talk) 17:47, 27 December 2019 (UTC)